Hey griggs, What are you saying? I'm a professional, not some kid screwing around with my software. I'm a Bryce lover like the rest of you, but I have valid points here. I've used Bryce since it came out. It's not spam and I'm not on a vandatta! I use a lot of different 3D software for different puposes ie..Bryce, Carrara, Rhino, Poser, Amapi etc........ Maybe you should use Vista pro, and not insult me. I'm not insulting anyone in here, just Corel, and I have my reasons. I'm not knocking you for buying Bryce 5, I'll probobly end up buying the upgrade myself. Sorry if I touched a raw nerve with you, but don't be insulting, have you seen any of my work? Your statement is null! kaom