griggs, Yes I was flying off the handle, but that's what these forums are for, it's healthy and non-violent. The only reason I added that I was a Professional was because of what you said about getting me Vista Pro, I've used it and it's kind of a joke.I don't think that I'm better than anyone in here, I see some amazing stuff in here done by complete amateurs, I think I've even seen some great stuff done by you, I could be wrong, at least I think I remember it being you. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on a high horse about my work, we all learn everyday in this business. I'm not putting you down for getting Bryce 5, I can't blame you, Bryce is a very cool program, and a new version is going to get anyones attention. Seriously, I hope you enjoy the hell out of it, I'm sure you will! But I do have a beef with Corel, I used to use Corel Draw in my work, and their support was horrible then, so I switched to Illustrator and love it and Adobe. Besides that Corel Draw was a poorly made program, you can do great things with it, but it's slightly buggy and the interface is not intuitive. Thank God Corel didn't change the interface of Bryce! Look at what Eovia did with Carrara, they took an abandoned program that users had spent nearly $400 on and did the best they could. And they are only charging $99 for the upgrade. I just think that Corel could of done more with Bryce for the price. And I have seen it firsthand, one of my clients has it, and I sat down with it for a while and wasn't impressed with what I saw, mostly the render speed. I know that the Metaball modeller will be very useful for a lot of people, and I'll see some very cool stuff done with it. And like I said I'll end up getting the upgrade soon, as soon as I build my new computer(gotta get the system while I can and prices are so low)> No hard feelings? kaom