This is how I am reading things... In my opinion I love bryce, I am just learning things as I go, I am no professional and I am not even out of high school. As I am reading this messege and the replies koam is judging Bryce 5 solely by its rendering time and nothing else... and maybe I read it wrong but does it say he doesnt even own it? >>griggs, >>Yes I was flying off the handle, but that's what these >>forums are for, it's healthy and non-violent. I thought these forums were here to get help. The only >>reason I added that I was a Professional was because of >what you said about getting me Vista Pro, I've used it and >>it's kind of a joke.I don't think that I'm better than >>anyone in here, I see some amazing stuff in here done by >>complete amateurs ...thats came across in my mind as a very arrogant statement, the only thing that seperates amatuers from professionals is that professionals make art for a living while amatuers do it for fun, being professional or amatuer is not a measure of talent. >> I think I've even seen some >>great stuff done by you, I could be wrong, at least I >>think I remember it being you. Don't get me wrong, I'm >>not on a high horse about my work, we all learn everyday >>in this business. I'm not putting you down for getting >>Bryce 5, I can't blame you, Bryce is a very cool program, >>and a new version is going to get anyones attention. ...sounds as if everyone who buys Bryce 5 is a victim of being suckered in... >>Seriously, I hope you enjoy the hell out of it, I'm sure >>you will! But I do have a beef with Corel, I used to use >>Corel Draw in my work, and their support was horrible >>then, so I switched to Illustrator and love it and Adobe. >>Besides that Corel Draw was a poorly made program, you >>can do great things with it, but it's slightly buggy and >>the interface is not intuitive. Thank God Corel didn't >>change the interface of Bryce! Look at what Eovia did >>with Carrara, they took an abandoned program that users >>had spent nearly $400 on and did the best they could. And >>they are only charging $99 for the upgrade. I just think >>that Corel could of done more with Bryce for the price. >>And I have seen it firsthand, one of my clients has it, >>and I sat down with it for a while and wasn't impressed >>with what I saw, mostly the render speed. I know that the >>Metaball modeller will be very useful for a lot of >>people, and I'll see some very cool stuff done with it. >>And like I said I'll end up getting the upgrade soon, as >>soon as I build my new computer(gotta get the system >>while I can and prices are so low)> No hard feelings? >>kaom Sorry about posting my reaction to this post in such a negative manner but I found it upsetting if not a little insulting.