I would be more apt to upgrade again if they would stop throwing bandaids on poser and fix the problems. I've seen this pattern with every updgrade. Folks beta testing are cryptic about the program, I know you have the NDA, but still come in and rave about what it can do and throw renders around. Folks get excited and buy it as soon as they can, then find out there are bugs, which the beta testers should have already found, and yes, I know they don't always listen to you. Sorry, this is what I've seen, been there since version 1, and it's the same old party every upgrade. If I do upgrade it will probably be full price because I'm not jumping just because it's on sale when it first comes out. I have done professional jobs with poser, but it is still mainly a hobby program. The poser world has changed a lot from the way it used to be. Now this company is about money, they have shown us that they don't care enough about their customer base to even make it to this forum, and since they closed their own forums how are they supposed to get any idea of what we want and need in poser? Now, flame on if you feel you must, but that is my opinion.