The collar bone wrap around is present, dominant and I could not morph it away. I only played with the Poser8 characters for about 20 minutes, then installed V4 and I am happy.

This is not to say people can't get the Poser8 people going good, but if I were so inclined I'd take the new cross-group morph brush on that collarbone right away.

I don't like the arms and shoulders of the P8 people, so I just happily am back with V4.

V4 people TURN OFF EXTERNAL BINARIES. Poser still crashes with V4 if external binaries are on.

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