The only reason anyone is attacking anyone else is because of the negative post. You don't post "thumbs down to corel bryce 5" and expect people not to be offended. But that aside I think Corel did a great job, the increased render time is because of the new enhancements to the renderer. And so far people have had some technical problems, ie. the password problem with upgrades and Corel responded immediately to those who emailed them. So please have some respect for Corel, this is there first full package release with Bryce. And despite everyone's opinions on Corel, personally I own Corel Draw 9, I had problem with it, crashed my system, and I emailed Corel, got a response the next day, and it took a few days to figure it out(emailing back and forth), but it ended up being a problem with another software package, all support I have received from Corel has been excellent. So I go thumbs up for Corel. And please don't critisize my opinion, I haven't yours. Thank you Nick