As it stands the salesman gets the last word even when all have left the room.

Please, you all lost support from e-on years ago.  You never had it.  It was an illusion all along.  Their incremental upgrading system is a scam and proves the premise.

There are a handful of people here that are well known to be fanboys of vue and have been defending it for decades.  They make money off of vue in some way and they defend vue till the end.  They never leave and always blame the user not the corporation.

It's been going on for so long that it is completely obvious who they are.