Thanks RDS, I did enjoy using VUE at time ot had provided some good results, which I could upgrade because I like what I see, but the cash is limiited. One thing I do love is the interface it is laid out like a tecnical drawing thingy which I did for many years when I was young. Unlike the poser interface which is so nasty. Any how been out to the coast working on photography. And thanks all for the coments here some of you are obviously have some VUE affiliations are probe to promote them, yes you have shown objectiveness but don't see or experience some of our whinny bitches. VUE as customer support has no idea how the US works.