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Seriously Mike, Mental ray is fast and easier to understand than this poser renderer..... at least you know how to speed things up, tweek the lighting, control rays, samples and photons.... not much of that going on in firefly. .

Well, if you say so I'll have to take your word for it, as I don't have Poser 8, and can only go by what I've seen and read here. I was really only kidding anyway, hence the wink thing I used -> ;-)

I have used Mental Ray, quite a bit actually, and yes, I agree, it's not too hard to get good and quick GI results. Mental Ray materials are another story altogether...

But it goes back to what I wrote a few minutes ago - why are there so very few options in Poser 8 for GI settings? It seems incomplete.