Seems like everyone is still in an uproar over Bryce 5! Understandable. I know for one that I have always enjoyed Metacreations products, and I was sorry to see Bryce to to Corel (I would't have liked to see it go to anyone!) When Metacreations went down it was very hurtful to me, kind of like losing a big brother. I've used bryce since version 2 and I have seen it come A LONG WAY! As for Corel vs. Adobe, well, I've never used any corel product (I will when B5 gets here) but as far as 2d art goes I'm going to have to stay with Photoshop and Illustrator. Not to get in the heated debate over Amatures vs Pros, but the ONLY difference is one gets paid...the other does it for fun. And for goodness sake...everybody calm down a little! :) Jared