It was MetaCreations that produced Bryce4, an abysmally small and cynical effort that was basically a slightly tarted up Bryce3 with a chat room stuck on the side. Bryce5 is a much bigger upgrade over Bryce4 than Bryce4 was over Bryce3. And from the sounds of it, Bryce5 actually works pretty well in its first release; not something that can be said of Bryce2 (Windows) or Bryce3 (both). I don't mind people stating their opinions if they feel Bryce5 doesn't satisfy their needs or expectations, but this foray into nostalgic fantasies about Corel being the ugly sister to MetaCreations' Cinderella is just a load of tosh. As I understand it, most of the significant 'hands-on' Bryce crew at MetaCreations are still with Bryce at Corel, and a moment's thought will provide the realisation that Corel is no more a 'corporate greed machine' than MetaCreations was. So sure, you can say that Corel "didn't do as well as they might have with Bryce5", but that's a meaningless statement in isolation. If it's meant that it would have been nice if Corel had invested a fortune and made Bryce nearly as good as Lightwave, then I couldn't agree more. As I would also agree that it would be nice if there weren't any spiders that were poisonous to humans. Both are nice dreams, but entirely unrealistic expectations. If it's meant that Bryce5 should have been better for the money, then I don't agree. Although I'd have liked to have seen the money prioritised differently (on things that interest me, personally, of course), I just don't see that the overall package could have been more than it is. I long ago came to terms with the reality that 'budget' programs can't afford the toys that the professional apps get. But those pro apps cost thousands to start with, and upgrades for them can cost over double what a full version of a program like Bryce goes for. Corel could have been cynical and put in a lot of headline grabbing whizz-bang features that were rushed and didn't work properly; but they went for a solid, conservative upgrade that has some real neat, functional toys and that improves the work flow considerably without altering things too radically. I think that shows a levelheaded, long-term commitment from the company. If you're a professional that needs more than Bryce can offer, then spend the money and get a professional application. If you want the ultimate bangs for your buck, then start climbing the steep learning curve for Blender. It's free and flaky, does most of the things that the big apps do, but is even more of a bitch to use. If what you want is a steady improvement to doing 3D the beloved Bryce way, then get Bryce5.