In my humble opinion I say this: rendering is a key feature in any 3d program. Bryce has had a reputation being a very slow renderer. Now we have Bryce 5. Now rendering is even slower. That is not good at all. What was markedly bad has gotten worse! And when you add the the new rendering options such as soft shadows or true radiosity rendering times can easily go up by factors of 50-90. That's not 50%-90% that's fifty-to-ninety-times longer. People often post pictures which took 12 hours to render in Bryce 4. With soft shadows that can go to over a month!! And thats just one picture. I read that a sofware firm used PC's to render a scene in "Fight Club". They said that each frame took about 8 hours to render. I wonder how much it would have taken with Bryce 5. Eight months a frame? Does anyone know a true ray-trace renderer that is this bad with rendering times?