Well I was under the impression we were having a discussion here, perhaps even an argument. I suppose that's the best way to end it though, rather than conceding (or continuing), suggest I take it to them instead.
I think I'll use that in the political forum discussions I get into, and all the other software discussions from now on:
Beats me why they gave GM all that money only to have them declare bankruptcy. Why not just ask Obama himself?
I don't like the Mental Ray for Maya Hypershade much either, but you should probably just tell Autodesk and not waste our time with silly discussions.

I'm fully aware I don't like the MSR, but thank you for pointing that out, lest I forget.

By the way, ratscloset was in this thread and hasn't responded to anything since the first page. Either he can't or isn't interested, I guess.