*"You basically said Poser should remain what it was originally and that was just a tool for real artists to pose figures that they could draw or paint from as models."

*I don't believe I ever said that I wanted Poser to stay just the way it was, nor did I either call or imply myself to be a "real" artist  What I did was stated the simple truth as to my own particular use for Poser  and that Poser after all was, and is, made for  simple posing and rendering among other, more serious things (read the advertizing matter " easily create 3d charachter art and animation"..."EASILY")   I made the unfortunate missuse of capital letters in part of my post which you decided  must be an act of aggression...? far from it, it was actually despair!  So, i'll put it again ; the only thing that  "I" ask is that when I buy a new version of Poser, or any other software for that matter, I believe  that it's reasonable for me to expect the most basic part of it to work?  I have no Idea as to how ambient occlusion and such like works and I have the utmost of respect for those that do. I did not complain about RSR conversion (don't even know what it is!) I simply said i would like to see larger thumbs in the library..Oh, I did come to the aid of thomasrjm and state that I didn't see why someone who's just bought poser 8 should have to resort to the use of  Poser 7  (which they may not even have) to enable them to use it!  I did not ever mention the Poser4 renderer, indeed, since Poser 5  i've never used it! 

At the begining of this post I basically sided with JAG in my dissapointment of this release of Poser  and SM (in my particular case the last 3 releases) although my reasons may be different   I made in this and other posts perfectly valid and reasonable complaints, as have all else here. For some reason LostinSpaceman you missenterpret everything I say...I have obviously in someway, somewhere offended you? I do appologise.

To everyone else here I also sincerely appologise If I have in any way unwittingly caused offence