I've been a long time Bryce'er, waiting still for my ver. 5 but I'm on top of what it can do. I've had Vue for about a week now. If I had to choose, and by all rights everyone's got an opinion, I'd probably pick Vue -- but that's at this stage at where I'm at with digital artistry in general. I like the split windows. I like seeing TOP, SIDE, etc., in one shot. Bryce has some nice advantages -- for materials, I think Bryce has a number that outdo Vue's presets. The deep texture editor in Bryce is great, but I haven't gotten that far into it yet. Bryce has network rendering now, Vue doesn't. Bryce's tree lab gives you good control over the trees you make, but overall I think Vue's vegetation implementation is better and diverse. The lighting is easier to handle in Vue, and has lens flares, motion blurs, depth of field, etc. It also will import from poser directly (no exporting from poser needed). That's huge -- there's no reason why Bryce shouldn't have had that. As for rendering quality, I've heard arguments both ways. I think Bryce has a larger user base, but I've seen some incredible Vue imagery. The thing I've liked about it so far is that there is a ton of complete scenes on the vue cd. Virtually all of the vue 4 PR images and first Vue 4 images in their gallery are on the CD, so it's easy to check 'em out. Hopefully I'll have more to say about Bryce 5 when it arrives. -Brian