BB:  Thanx.  Basicly I am going to have to wrap my head around all the technical stuff to get anywhere near a good render.  sigh seems like lots of studying for me. 

I understand about the best time / best quality.  I think what I meant was the best quality at the best time for that quality.  I don't mind waiting hours if it at the right quality with all the right settings but hours for sub standard just doesn't make sense to me. 

What I would like to do is play with each setting and see what they do - as my biggest problem is that I don't know what the different settings do and what will change.  I am not very good with technical stuff. - but having to wait hours for a test render means I am going to be busy with that for weeks. 

Thank you for all the help.  I will start at the top of the thread and see how much I can take in and actually understand.  If all else fails it is back to std P8 renders for me.

Thanks everyone for the help.

HoNeY
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