Quote - > Quote - > Quote - he said that renders can be done in a normal time. i am saying that is only possible without reflections,refractions,AO and complex shaders.when you have all of this then it gets harder and longer.

and a lot of people just load the props and those have a lot of times just the texture plugged in teh diffuse slot.

What 3D app doesn't have longer render time when doing reflections, refractions, AO and complex shaders. Have you tried Cinema 4D with Interposer Pro? Sure you can load up some props and figures and with simple shaders it renders fast. Even with IDL  But add more advanced features and render times go up. That's to be expected right? So why should Poser be any different?

WT dude? 

i know that reflections will make renders longer.  i am saying that peopel dont use this.and they dont use raytraced shadows so they get fast renders. thats why

I mainly use raytraced shadows and also reflection (if needed). Using raytraced shadows adds only little render time on my machine, but reflections add a lot more. I've done quite a lot of medieval scenes (and still do) and those always involve reflections, lot's of metal. I've noticed that a lot of vendors do not include 'real' metals in their content, they 'fake' it. Probably to make sure that renders will not take too long. I often change those materials, it sure adds to the rendering time, but nothing unacceptable really.

It's nothing like IDL as it is currently. Adding raytraced shadows and reflections never give me rendering times that I can't handle. They may double, but often not even that much. The rendering time increase is roughly 30-90%.

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