Diane... I know what you mean about how amazing they really are... I am going to go back in the next day or two and try to get them in action right around sunset. I think they start coming out then. I also had to talk myself into posting this one as the other just blew me away. bsteph... That is a chain, not pipe. If you want me to I will be glad to shoot a couple macros of this for a texture for you.