I was just checking out e-on's site again. When you're looking at the VUE 4 features, the page that has '40% increase in speed' (or something like that) info has a thumbnail of their test project and a table of the rendertimes between Vue 2, 3, and 4. What I didn't see was the size of the rendered image. And I'm not sure if the figures are hours/minutes or minutes/seconds but it would be hours/minutes in English but that's a French site. Done on a 900mz Athlon. So (bear with me here) I realize my machine renders at about 1/5th to 1/6th the speed of 900mz Athlon (PPII 450 and I've checked render benchmark times for Bryce). So that image, under Vue 4 would take my machine 25 to 30 hours. I know Bryce very well, and doing a similar scene would not take that long. Of course...it MIGHT mean 25 to 30 minutes!! LOL in which case it would be faster than Bryce because that image would take me about an hour or more in Bryce at 640x480. I bought Vue 2 but it was so slow rendering I stopped using it. So it's good they speeded it up and it may very well be faster than Bryce...depends totally on what those figures are on that page. Sorry for the long post. Spit