No they've both missed the boat on render speed. My Pentel pen and a piece of paper in my notebook renders so much faster, it's like real-time. I drew a circle and by the time my pen completed the circle, it was done. Amazing. And it's a lot less demanding on memory. Wait a minute, no my mind renders much faster than any software, by the time I think of a thought, it's rendered in my mind. Watch, I'm rendering a super complex scene in my mind right now, done! See? It's like I can think in real time, I just rendered a complex 6 second animation in the last 2 seconds-all in my mind. Yeah computers are too slow, I think I'll just render stuff in my head from now on, granted I wont be able to post any screenshots, at least for another 50 years, or until aliens give us all of their technology.LOL kaom