Donald, you have some interesting points regarding non-profit and Willow's motives. but willow had made a informal agreement with EN that they got the ad revenue to pay for the costs of hosting the site. When they heard rumors about various things and after she had approched them demanding total control of the ad banners, to make the agreement more formal, with both sides benafiting from the ad banners etc (and that is it. They did offer to help out more, but were willing and happy with remaining the host only.) Willow did her usual hissy fit and we have the following outcome. The difference being that Willow didn't own this site. EN did. They provided the space, the servers, the bandwidth and the code the forum ran on. By Willow's story and words, EN didnt' deserve to get any revenue from the ad banners because it wasn't their site. (I'm not talking content here guys, I'm talking the hardware side of it.) To me, its as plain as day Willow wanted and tried to screw EN over. Simple as that. My loyality doesn't belong to someone who'll screw those trying to help, or those who have a differing opinion to hers. Oh what I think the guys are trying to say with the non-profit bit and how much its (the PFO) is making etc, is just how much is Willow paying herself? Where are the accounting books? Has anyone seen them? (I don't know the legal stuff here, but surely as members, we should know where the money is going?) Ali