Well it looks like most of the vendors we can deal with dont have very fast quad systems..they are server systems so they are built for high reliablity rather than speed. I guess if you need to go faster you are supposed to just add more servers...to bad carrara doesnt support network rendering :) So it looks like I am getting a dual p4 based 1.7ghz system with like 2 gigs of ram and 140gigs of HD. Now I just need to find a good video card that supports duel head flat screens :) How come my salary can't be used as a captol investment..silly buisness rules.