Ali: Yes, I understand what EdgeNet says is their position and their take on the events that occured. I also understand what Willow says. As some have said, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and I doubt anyone will ever know what that is. You know, while I truly appreciate EdgeNet's hosting of this site, I don't for a second believe that it was done from altruism, the goodness of their hearts or to just help out. Yes, they backed this forum with hardware, software and technical expertise; but it was nowhere close to a one-sided proposition for them. No we didn't pay money, but how much do you think the number of hits we supplied to their servers each day increased the fees they can now charge for ad space here? How much do you think our services as beta-testers was worth to them? How much was it worth to have dozens of sites including companies like Metacreations and Zygote linking back to their site? The benefits flowed both ways. Does this make them the Evil Empire? No, it makes them business-people. We could go around and around on this. Just as we could on the whole "is there money and where does it go" issue. Personally, I still don't understand why anyone cares or why they think that they have the right to know. If I paid money to Willow for accessing the PFO, then I -might- have a different POV on it all. As for me it probably comes down to one thing - the belief that EdgeNet Media doesn't care about Poser or 3D art. I truly believe that this could have been the "Pan Flute Forum" and would have been treated the same if it was as popular and generated the response that the PFO did. So I guess it also comes down to trust for me..who do I trust to keep the forum going? Someone with a personal stake in the forum and a love of the art or a business that would have been just as happy if this was the "Teletubbies Forum"? -=>Donald (EG)