Oh one more thing...Poser Pro Pack definitely has a bug in the lights, it's explained in the Manual, but its related to distance end....bottom line is Poser 4's lights work better, but no need to uninstall Pro Pack, I have both on my system and theres no problem, however it's better to do the final renders in Poser. Another point is that Steve Cooper told me a while back that in the new version of Poser there will be Raytracing (amongst other things)so that feature alone will really help in setting up better world scenes. Thanks Again Harvey Mann