spedler, I'm not moving the criteria, I'm simply trying to understand what is your criteria of "violence".

For me, violence exists independently of whether the scene is real, unreal or surreal. Vampire clowns, aliens, superheroes, none of that exists, as far as we know but if any of these characters are involved in blood scenes or murders, for me that is classified as violence. And, I believe, for most of the people as well. Whoever rates the movies agrees with me, for example, and I like to think that they represent the majority of the people.

For me, it's also irrelevant if blood is represented by make-up, pixels or whatever method. It represents blood and that is sufficient for me. And it's also sufficient for whoever rates the movies because all movies use either make-up or pixels to represent blood but they are still classified as violent.

We all come from completely different backgrounds. I've lived a very peaceful life, fortunetaly. I'm 44 and I was never involved in any violent scene. I never fought with anyone, I never even saw anyone fighting near me. I never saw a real gun. Maybe because my life has been so peaceful, I detest violence. For me, an image of someone bleeding from his eyes and mouth is a violent image, regardlessly of anything else. And, quite frankly, I find it very hard to understand that some people find it a natural thing. This is probably a (bad) sign of our times.