Yeah I've often gone for the "there must be injury being CAUSED or grotesque injury afterwards in view" for it to be violence.
But some folk tell you they think it's violent...You can't win :p

An amuptee...that cannot violence, it happened long ago. The surgery itself though is another matter!
then, the physiotherapy the person goes through, no violence, but possibly incredible suffering..but for a good cause in the end.

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