You can pick up the Bryce 5 upgrade at COMPUSA for $99 right now. I just got it the other day. Vue does render faster than Bryce, but each has it's strong points. I'm a longtime Bryce user, but I'm intrested in getting Vue 4, I think it looks like a very worthy program, the vegetation is something Bryce lacks. Bryce 5 now has a great tree generator, but no plant generator. Tough decision for you, they are both incredible programs for the price. Good luck, kaom