GrayMare, allow me to state that perhaps my choice of word was too harsh. I apologize for that. However, I stand by my opinion and statement that there are too many managers and administrators who are not doing their jobs responsibly. And, it appears from your statements, too many "suits" not letting the job be done properly. The size of the "Code Red" infection speaks to this very well. And I still do not understand why the first bulletins, warnings, patches and counter-measures appear to have been such an industry wide secret when they were available nearly a month ago. I saw them and I've been out of the business for several years. Anyway, I apologize again for my selection of descriptive adjectives. And, again, I wish you luck.