No... sorry I was not clear. Could you show some examples of what you think are optimal renders possible with Poser please? Renders by other people than you and explain what you think ir right about them. Not from that set of images but from anywhere you have seen them. Examples of what you think Poser is now capable of by the best artists but without too much post-work I maybe? I am sincerely interested to see which work with Poser has most impressed you. Maybe you also could show any examples of art you like very much that despite heavy post-work you still consider "Poser" created. Thank you.