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Larry Niven's Ring World series, Anne McCaffery's Dragonriders of Pern, or Power Lines series, Anything by Andre Norton, Issac Asimov, Heinlein or Arthur C. Clark. Not all "Sci-Fi" is "Skiffy"!

Strongly disagree.  Sci Fi is Skiffy.  If it's good enough of a term for Ian M Banks, it's good enough for me.

And, yes, you're absolutely right about Dune.  Superb.

To each their own. Skiffy to me is "Sci-Fi Light". Probably my own definition, but there you have it. Certainly not worth disagreeing about though. I've never read any Ian M. Banks or even heard of him til just now so what can I say?

And I must stand with Flibbit's on the subject of the intelligence behind SGU. I'm just not seeing it!