Shawn you are still missing my point I guess, and it's not worth the disagreement, but what I am saying is Vue 8 is by far inferior to it's predecessors, and thus a step backwards as is their response! My images you viewed with poser figures are imported straight without "Tweaking" and look great IMHO:). The renders with Vue 8 when it doesn't crash are awful! I don't expect perfect... but taking 4 steps back and paying such a high upgrade price! I checked your gallery also and see you don't use Vue with poser, at least not as evident from your gallery, where I have used the programs extensively and up until Vue 8 with always very pleased!  But when a program doesn't do what it is advertised as doing, and you pay hundred's of dollars for that... and it doesn't deliver!  Well apparent you like Vue 8 and don't see my side... so will will have to agree to disagree. I hope they do fix Vue 8, as I would love to continue working with what was once a great product line! Because I can bet I won't get a refund... but they wont' get anymore money from me at this rate! And I agree with JDC, I'm sticking with Vue 6I... works awesome for me:)

Peace