Yes I'm using the updated 2 pack on Poser 8 and Smith Micro, and I appreciated the offer, but you are still missing the point, Vue 8 is a major step back compared to the other Vues where I don't need to "tweak" to get to work at all, and I have been doing some tweaking and it still hates the shaders for V4 and M4 no matter the "Tweaking". And although I appreciate the offer, I have been working with the two programs for a very long time and know them as well as anybody. I would have been happy if at least Vue said they were working on a fix instead of "you will just need to tweak them" answer I got, but between the piss poor reply from service and Vue 8's performance I am solely disappointed in Eon right now! Here is direct side beside render between V8 and 6I using the exact same file rendered in both packages and using same settings!