yes, it took 6 months to learn poser 4 in 90% detail and it will take 3 years to learn poser 8 ~ 90% IMVHO. especially if they add more features to FFRender, e.g. caustics.  i agree with ock about weight-loss ads (I've seen 'em and I did one (don't ask :lol: )), illustrators and forensics, but main market for poser is hobbyists and vendors who sell poser items to hobbyists for use in gallery renders here and at the other poser sites.