Thanks guys, Amp 3 frankly I don't think this project requires a custom build. Atthistage I would be interested in your finds, The bottoms only option could be useful. Ookami ta for the poserworld link I might sub if I can't find anything else suitable. For those who are interested My pal is a ninjutsu instructor or more correctly ninpo budo instructor and he wants to illustrate some stances for a manual he is producing.... there ain't much money in it and I'm doing it free as a favour (best to have these guys as friends!)