I'm with you Griggs :). Actually I think both renders look good. It's really hard to tell unless EVERYTHING is identical, which I think is rather impossible. I do think that Vue has more natural looking OUTDOOR lighting, but I think that Bryce lends itself to the types of images that may be a bit more difficult to achieve in Vue. I think that having both can be a good thing since each is better for different things. I have no problem with Bryce (other than using it ;)), but that is just personal preference and nothing more. I have admired (and will continue, I'm sure) many images made in Bryce. Lannie's artwork is drop-dead gorgeous and that's what she uses. I could never even hope to do anything that good in either program, but if I could, I use what was easier FOR ME. That's what it all comes down to...not which is better than the other. :) Laurie