Sharen..I know this doesn't belong in this forum, but just want to point out that Bryce 5 is not slower than Bryce 4 unless you choose some premium render options. It can actually be faster if you lower the RPP and ray depth though that is not something you would normally do. I'm not talking through my hat because I was a beta tester and played with it constantly for literally months. I'm sure Vue will get the rayspray eventually (unless it was patented) because they've put in all kinds of other things that started in Bryce. I still intend to get Vue 4 at some point though. I just don't like the idea of having to pay for extra vegetation and dealing with those serial numbers but I would like to try out the Poser import which sounds fantastic. Spit