Thank you Griggs for you insight. I agree with you on every point. There are certian people who have mastered one or both of these wonderful pieces of software. I remember a gentelmen named Tony Richarson(?) who way back when was cranking out photo realistic pics with Bryce before Vue even came on the scene. I would also give Eric Knight Holbrook a nod in that area too! I could go on and on. Vue has it's fair share of excellent artist as well, you named several of them in your post. It is a personal decision on which piece of software one wishes to buy. I choose to use both, and it would be a difficult choice if I had to pick just one. Once again I am not endorsing one piece of software over the other. My posting was just to provide a side by side example of the two products. Griggs words of caution should be heeded though. The two programs can and do behave differently. For example, although both the above scenes are similar in regards to lighting, using just two point lights in realatively the same positions, most of the light in the room in the Vue scene is being provided by the light source outside of the lamp shade. While it is the light inside of the lamp shade doing most of the work in the Bryce scene. This is because lights sources behave differently in both programs. Once again, thanks Griggs (& of course everyone else too!)