Well Mike, since maybe you just don't know or you are being a smart guy (I thought you knew everything Mike! ;)), here's what ya do: Map your leaf material to a plane. When I said at 1.00 size, I meant the leaf material itself, not the plane (Vue's vegs are at .34 I think). That way it will just be one leaflet (or whatever you'd call it ;)). Render it as big as you can without making it pixelated. Then you can take it into a paint program and do whatever you want...change color, add veins, etc. You can even start from scratch, using the render as something to go by. I don't know how Varian does it, but that's the way I've always done it. Just remember that if you start from scratch that you will need to make your own alpha map for the transparency. If you do everything on a transparent layer, that should be easy as punch (I'm talking Photoshop and PSP here...don't know too many other paint programs). Just select the transparency of that layer, make it black and white and NOT antialiased as Martin mentioned (do that you don't get a white matte). I bought the Jungle 3D from Digi Arts just for this purpose (the Japanese maple in red looks great!). It's as easy as that. When you use your new material, just remember to set it at .34 in the material editor again :). BTW, I know you're not a smart a#$ Mike...I'm just joshin'! Laurie