atthisstage, I know they are DAZ products, but the current Poser standard figures were made by Zygote, and that division of Zygote is now DAZ. In the DAZ store, you'll find the current standard P4 kids and infant for individual sale. So I think it is relatively likely that CL will have DAZ create the standard models included with P5. And I think DAZ does great work, but I do not want to pay them for it twice. I hope this is a really dumb concern. :) Phoenix