kaom - you know what i hate about getting new programs? I always get a nice little block for about 2 weeks where I can't do a thing with them! Its like "Wow! I have all these neat little new toys! What do I do with them?" It was like that for Max and now all I can do in B5 is play in the tree lab, prolong my renders with the nifty settings, and make alien hands out of metaballs! So needless to say, I'll be glad when this little block is over with! Have fun and happy rendering! Jared