Superdumb mistake here, I was putting V2 file on V2P4 CR2! It works fine, in your form or the short one I gave, or as produced by CR2Edit5.03. M.W., More Tools/MOR File Creator, takes just a few seconds. There is a tutorial, but it really is easy. But for the FBM/PBM ones to work, I think you need to upgrade, it would be a free one, check your Help/Check Current etc. markm, thanks for all your input, I had what you are doing in CR2Edit already, but I thought the FBM/PBM didn't work at all, but it was the wrong model -- if you hadn't brought this up I'd probably still be staring blankly at the code, LOL! Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster