sihn - as you might have read I've done this (give some advice) - did you ever visit www.3dmodelworld.com - there is finally nothing to add to lannies list of links ?? and as you've surely read I was not complaining about his or hers gist - it was just the form ... but that was allready discussed ... :o) so - but now enough to this ... I've to finish my CD I'm working on and about 500 poses are left for the total summary of 5000.