XFrog is great, but not cheap. I did the Bryce 5 upgrade instead, but later I will probobly get XFrog. Until then it looks like PlantStudio will get me by, and the price is right. Mabye Bryce 6 will take care of this, wouldn't it be nice to be able to make low poly vegetation in Bryce? Oh well, I'll just have to find workarounds and tricks until then. PlantStudio ain't so bad though, I'm digging it a lot. kaom