>> " If all lights are deleted and it's red not black, then it because of shaders - there is zero doubt.:

Unless I missed something, the initial render we have here wasnt done with deleted lights, but two points. If there's a wall there, I'm thinking it's possible the OP simply put them behind the wall (or something else in the scene) and hasnt checked their position in anything other than the top camera.

Just a thought.

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