Sydney, don't be put off by that too much. I still think the upgrade was well worth it. But I've always been upset that trying to do a volumetric render has always been excruceatingly slow. And I'm on a Mac G4 Cube at 450 Mhz (comprable to a 900 Mhz PC) with 320 mb RAM and a Dell 850 Mhz PC (which is slower). Here is a render that took all night and i forgot to turn on the sun. Without the sun on, you won't get shadows. :( But even so, I think this is far superior a rendering than Bryce 4 can do. this has no post work except the hair around the hat. James