The reason I wanted the drape frames off was because their computer was locking up and it appeared they did not have any at rest frames after the character was in the actual pose. Plus 20 drape frames seemed a little high to me. If they were locking up lets get it unlocked and then sneak up on what was causing it to lock up. Wasn't disagreeing on the need for drape frames. Just trying to see if the number of drape frames might have an issue if their was intersecting cloth, which can bring the cloth room to it's knees. Trying to get a person that is new to the cloth room to change to wire frame and inspect the cloth object for intersecting cloth could scare them off from finding out just how great the cloth room is.

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"