I logged on this morning to find my latest post featuring Ug! has been withdrawn from the gallery because he is not clothed. Hes not full frontal, hes laying face down on a table and you can see the side of his hip but this is obviously inflamatory to some peoples sensibilities  so the thumbnail cannot be shown. I can submit a new thumbnail but, you know, I just cant be bothered. Ugs not even human, for gods sake.
Following the comments in another post on the Bryce forum concerning those who dont slavishly thank the provider of every freebie they use in their images, which led to me disabling comments on my gallery, I have decided to find somewhere else to post my images in future so  Id like to thank all those whove  taken the time to view and comment on them in the past.  I hope this doesnt come across as a petulant "Im taknig my ball home" post but I cant stand such small minded attitudes and don`t wish to contribute to any site that has them.

 Sambucus, it's not that the nudity is inflammatory, it's that the rules apply equally to everyone.  The thumbnail guidelines are posted on the image upload page every time you upload an image, and have been around for over 3 years.

If you have problems regarding this, rather than posting in the forum, the best course of action would be to contact the staff member who wrote you, or to contact our admin team at admin@renderosity.com  You'll get a much faster response this way.

I had the same issue.

I ended up signing up for a small business website with Yahoo and moved my former Rendo gallery over.

Now, I don't have to worry about being blocked from my RMP order history.

I know they may not seem up to your standards, but they are the standards of the site nonetheless. The rules have been there for a long time now and though the administrators of the site appreciate it immensely if you read them before posting, they can't make you read them. However, they are obligated to make you follow them ;o). It doesn't matter much whether you agree or disagree with how they run things...it's a privately owned site, they allow you to post your images on their servers for free and as such, they have every right in the world to dictate how they are posted. The gallery guidelines are not a big secret and that's why I'm so baffled when I see things like this... when you became a member you agreed to abide by the rules :o). It's only then when people think "Well, that doesn't apply to my image, does it?" that there's a problem.

If you were a guest in someone's house and they didn't smoke, would you light up in their living room? If they didn't appreciate cursing, would you swear like a sailor? I doubt you would and the same things applies here. You're a guest. For as long as you're "in their house" - be courteous and follow their rules. It's a simple thing really ;o). If you disagree that strongly with the sensibilities of the site, perhaps you shouldn't be a member.

Is there a reason why you can't use a different thumb or the standard nudity thumb? They are there for a reason believe it or not. How would you like your kids to see some of the stuff that's posted here because someone else was at the computer surfing and it just popped up because there were no warnings? ;o). I personally wouldn't appreciated that, but that's just me...sigh. But like Jen said, if they do it for one, they have to do it for all regardless of whether or not you think it may be "harmless". Can you imagine the stink if they decided to arbitrarily pick and choose who had to follow the rules and who didn't?

Laurie

The issue for some Laurie is that if you get banned you lose access to your store history. I stopped posting here after a pic was removed for no valid reason that I could see. A supposed nude thumbnail that was actually clothed.  I can not afford to lose access to my store order history at the moment , because it runs to about 10,000 dollares for commercial use products, so I simply dont post pics.

If the two were seperate as they are on several other sites it would not be a problem.

They ban people for a thumbnail?? When did that happen? ;o).

I could see them banning someone if they're are - for want of a better word - a 'serial' nude thumb poster, but not for an "oops" every now and then ;o).

Laurie

Um, we don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  It's not even considered a "real" violation.  You have to do it repeatedly, without attempting to rectify the situation, before we consider what you do in violation, and it takes multiple violations to get banned.  Basically, you'd have to post every day for roughly 2 weeks in violation of the thumbnail rule to get a 3-day ban.  It would take you more than a month of the same thing to get a permanent ban.  

;)  We're not as hard as some people like to make us out to be.

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I hope this doesnt come across as a petulant "Im taknig my ball home" post but I cant stand such small minded attitudes and dont wish to contribute to any site that has them.

The internet is vast and largely free
MY REAL GALLERY

Cheers

I had to paint loin clothes on my zombies, and their genitals were rotted off, LOL! This was for a Halloween contest long ago here. Never use the auto generated thumbnail for nude images. That's how you can accidentily end up with nudes in thumbnails.

The thread in the Bryce forum did not at any point say one should "slavishly thank the provider of every freebie they use". It was about using entire scenes created by someone else, or complete renders as backgrounds, and letting people believe it was their own work. Big difference.

 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, let's not make this an argument.  Some people will have their opinions on some subjects.  I don't know the thread in question, because I haven't been as active as I normally am in the past few months.

 There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

**Um, we don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  It's not even considered a "real" violation.  You have to do it repeatedly, without attempting to rectify the situation, before we consider what you do in violation, and it takes multiple violations to get banned.  Basically, you'd have to post every day for roughly 2 weeks in violation of the thumbnail rule to get a 3-day ban.  It would take you more than a month of the same thing to get a permanent ban.  

;)  We're not as hard as some people like to make us out to be.**

Jen. this thread.

nuff said.

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

**WE

DO

NOT

BAN

PEOPLE

FOR

SIMPLE

THUMBNAIL

VIOLATIONS.

PERIOD.**

 I really don't understand where you guys get these ideas, but, you have to seriously do a WHOLE mess of TOS violating to get banned.  
We do our best to actually work with people, and, the only time we stop is after you have.  If you're not willing to work with us, there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do.  
But, when you DO violate the TOS, regardless of who you are, we have a job to do.  You're not going to get a candy-coated letter asking you to pretty please be a good boy and you'll get a biscuit.  We spell it out, as much as we can, and let you know that if you have any questions PLEASE ASK THEM.   We don't ban people willy nilly.  If someone's been banned, they've earned it in one way or another, with a string of violations, not just one or two.

 For even more clarification:

Here's what we do.  If you can't make your thumbnail image for your image containing Nudity or Violence (or, in rare occurrences, salty language) conform to our Thumbnail Guidelines, we do this:

Place your image in holding (IT IS NOT DELETED)
Write you and let you know.
Give you 15 days (THAT'S A HALF OF A MONTH) to get back to us with either a new thumbnail or "Please use the Standard Content Advisory Thumbnail".
If you do nothing, the system purges your image.
If you respond, we will replace your thumbnail image.

If you don't respond directly to us, but, instead choose to bash us in the public forum, we reserve the right to defend ourselves.  Like I'm doing now.

Best "I don't see why I have to obey the thumbnail rules" thread we've had in while :thumbupboth:

LOL nruddock ;o). Yes, they do happen on a semi-regular basis, don't they?

Laurie

Quote -  There does need to be another way of enforcing this rule other that banning a person from the website..  This current system closes them out from downloads,  and also stops them from being able to purchase items from the Marketplace.

I do realise that some action needs to be taken,  but stopping an individual from purchasing must be considered to be a misguided business practice.

Restricted use of freebies and the galleries would be more appropriate IMHO..!!

Alright, i'm going to add my couple cents on this. We DO NOT ban members for simple reasons. If your image has nudity in the thumbnail its put on "HOLD". You are not banned from the site unless you completely troll the forums or just continuously break the rules. We believe in making sure you as a member understand the rules. This has been told now twice by the staff.. understand we are here to help not make life worse. 

Sooo.. in that saying..maybe next on this thread should be questions more then a jump in thread.. huh? :)

 I stand with My previous post..  Be it thumbnail,  image, or even inappropriate forum behavior.

I have lost count of gallery artists posting about the three day lockouts they have been punished with.

 Ok, Noel, then how do YOU suggest we handle people who repeatedly violate the TOS?  Give them gift certificates?  How about a fruit basket?

The simple fact is this:
Renderosity has rules.
You are expected to follow them.
The rule following is NOT contingent on whether or not you spent money in the store.
If you break the rules enough times, you get banned.

This happens here, DAZ, RDNA, and most likely other sites with stores.  You are not guaranteed access to the site (including purchases you've made) if you insist on not following the rules of the site.  We don't throw out bans like they're candy.  We take a long hard look at a member's history, and, in a lot of cases, we throw OUT past violations, if a member has worked hard to redeem themselves in the eyes of the community (and not just us).

The fact is, if you go into a brick and mortar store, and manage to get kicked out of their store, you're not allowed back in.  It's no different online, nor should it be.  Want to be able to perpetually access your items?  Don't get banned.

It's not hard to follow the rules.  They're not arbitrary, and they're spelled out.  With almost 50 staff members, there is a wealth of people to turn to to ask questions.

So, you can "stand by your previous statement", which is false, or get a clue.  We don't ban people for JUST thumbnail violations.  

I like fruit baskets.

Laurie

oh. I don't want those.. can I have book tokens?

I wanna get banned too, I've never been banned anywhere yet   :crying:  Do you get a bad boy reputation? Girls like bad boys  :m_cigar:

 I never said any thing about thumbnail violations.  I was commenting in general about making the punishment fit the crime (or misdemeanor).  The Main Point (IMO) was in favor of Rendo's policy..
And also pointing out that if artists are banned,   they cannot Buy.  Isn't this where Renderosity's income is obtained.?
It seems archaic to stop artists spending when banning from the galleries and/or freestuff may be more in the financial intrest of Rendo.

Actually, I'd find it kinda distasteful myself if they banned someone and yet STILL allowed them to buy. But that's just me.

Laurie

Is there actually a way to disable a user's ability to post to the gallery while still retaining  his or her access to the market, forums and order history? 

Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:

Kaibach - Yes..but only the first time :laugh:

NoelCan- Once you are banned, you are banned from the whole site.

Paloth -** **Nope. Not that i'm aware of. **

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Quote - Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:...**
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Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into...

I especially like oranges, so make sure there's plenty in there...lol.

;o)

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - Laurie- I'll make sure to send you one next time you misbehave. :laugh:...**

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Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into...

I especially like oranges, so make sure there's plenty in there...lol.

;o)

Laurie

Extra oranges..... got it! lol! :oP

Quote - I wanna get banned too, I've never been banned anywhere yet   :crying:  Do you get a bad boy reputation? Girls like bad boys  :m_cigar:

Nah! I got banned from CP and all I got was a refund for Koji 1. :tt2:

"Well, I'm sure there's some trouble I can get into..."

LaurieA...

Quote one of my posts. Get you in trouble every time! ROFL.

So let me get this straight:

If we post renders without the characters wearing gloves, we'll be permanently banned from the internet for posting nude thumbnails, but we get a fruit basket as consolation?

:-P

 I suppose I could ask for Lemons.......   Old Sour Puss that I am..!!!

Seeing as how I'm Israeli, Prickly Pears would be more my style!
dph

Quote - So let me get this straight:

If we post renders without the characters wearing gloves, we'll be permanently banned from the internet for posting nude thumbnails, but we get a fruit basket as consolation?

:-P

You, Mr. Hatch, owe me a new keyboard.  This one is now sticky-coated with root beer :P

And just to add my 2 pennies-sterling - if you have a problem in the Bryce forum or Gallery you come to me! I will explain in exquisite detail what needs to be done or undone to help you get along with the rules.

If you break the rules I will punish you! It will be excruciatingly painful. You will scream. You will cry and you'll probably want a cuddle from your mom. However, you should know that I may be cruel but I'm fair. I treat everyone with the same devastating brutality.

**And when all is said and done we're only talking about an acking thumbnail image here! **

I have only been spanked once, I actually made the thumbnail, but the cloth covering the raisin like bits was a bit too sheer.  It was handled exactly as described, I changed the thumbnail, and the posting went up.  No big deal.

Now, if the raisins are standing at attention in an image, I post it at another site.  Sounds like bend-her-bod-ica.

It is not  really  a human  yet,  and I wonder if that  it why  I was not spanked.

But I realize  its is prob  violation of  TOS  so  I will  change it to  the generic  warning  now.

BTW   This was a case of  just  using  the thumbnail  generator  and it was laziness and I didn't  bother to  consider  that  i was  thumb genrating nudity ....

why  was I not spanked for this I wonder.

 modelling WIPS are held to a different "standard" if you will.  That is obviously a disembodied torso with no texture, and, as such, we consider it close to what we would with a statue in a photograph.  

Quote - If you break the rules I will punish you! It will be excruciatingly painful. You will scream. You will cry and you'll probably want a cuddle from your mom. However, you should know that I may be cruel but I'm fair. I treat everyone with the same devastating brutality.

I can attest to TheBrysters utter brutality, I've been in therapy ever since my last infraction.
:biggrin:

Like drifterlee I had to paint pants on my zombies for a halloween competition. No big deal I'd missread "humanoid" as "human", honest mistake which I corrected without being flayed alive.

I did once use the auto thumbnail option assuming it would generate the standard advisory thumb but spotted and corrected it myself.

I do have a question though. Are skeletons classed as "humanoid" when it comes to nudity advisories?

*Are skeletons classed as "humanoid" when it comes to nudity advisories?

*Skeletons would not be classed as nude assuming they were without clothing. However, perhaps interestingly, if said skeleton was sticking a sword in a human/living creature/your cat that would constitute violence. On the other hand, if a human was sticking a sword in a skeleton this would not be considered violence as a skeleton is presumed to be dead. 

But hey! I don't make the rules.

 I Must be the only individual who had a "Content Advisory" thumbnail removed and replaced with an "Auto Generated " thumbnail which contained nudity..!

I was sent an SM explaining that since My image was not "Violent"  ( I had it flagged as Nudity and Violence.)  It did not warrant a content advisory,  the advisory was removed Before any consulting with Me.  This was the point when I got STUPID enough to get Myself banned for several weeks.

I broke most of the rules in the TOS because of the frustration I was feeling towards one particular individual.  Together with My inability to communicate an adequate explanation of what My issue was to other members of the Rendo team.  It seems such a small thing now  ( More than one year ago ) but at the time it felt like My integrity as an individual was being challenged..  So repeating what I stated above...   I WAS  STUPID ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF BANNED.   Anyone who wants to try this.....   DON'T DO IT....!!!!!!

I sincerely thank the individuals who were "Gracious" enough to let Me Come back..

"I WAS  STUPID ENOUGH TO GET MYSELF BANNED.   Anyone who wants to try this.....   DON'T DO IT....!!!!!!"

But what if we REALLY,REALLY, want that Basket of Fruit?!?!?!
dph

You Guys have it easy here
I am on my THIRD "identity" over at CG society.

My first offense:
After being a member for 5 years I mentioned in a thread that I ripped My personal  DVD copy  of  "Dune"  along with many other DVD titles to my Firewire Drive
and Tossed the original DVD discs& Cases in the dumpster
when I was forced to move from my Old Apartment in VA  with only what I could physically carry ( back pack,Duffel & laptop)

I was "Banned for life" for  "movie piracy" which "hurts the Film effects industry"

Second Offense:  under a new Identity, I described Working in the Film Effects Industry as
"18 hour a day wage Slavery"
 
And was promptly "banned for Life"by  "Leigh" for 'polluting her forums with my ignorant garbage"

This Despite a Huge Sticky Thread on the front page Called "the  unofficial truth about  the CG Industry"
A thread which Describes in  sickening Detail the Life sucking 18+ hour a day 7 day/week Lifestyle of CG artist working on major  film projects& Game titles..
 
During each "Exile" I could Not unsubscribe from their
SPAM ( err "newsletter) Exhorting me to Buy their Books and training DVD's from their store and would NOT let me remove MY images from my ,now locked, Galleries

Now under my third Identity My Forum participation there is Minimal
largely restricted to technical discussions in the C4D forum.

Cheers

hold on. you were banned for life, then made a new ident, was banned for life again and then you went back..

what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?
they don't want you there. you are BANNED. they have exercised their right to exclude you. you are BANNED.

it's not rocket science!

Quote - hold on blah....blah....blah...blah..blah

what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to..
blah....blah....blah...blah..blah

The part where you hit the "join now" button and rejoin under a new indentity and go back to the C4d Forum and ask about matter related to the mograph module, Vray rendering etc. from the action
MAXON employees that frequent the forum.

Leigh's "lifetime banishments" are a joke
which is probably why they are so quick to impose them.

Cheers

Hey  wolf  isn't  circumventing a ban by using an alias also  a ban -worthy  offense???

LOL !

Quote - Hey  wolf  isn't  circumventing a ban by using an alias also  a ban -worthy  offense???

LOL !

Hi
Apparently not they are an international site
who makes no effort to block IP's

With the exception of obvious trolls&malcontents
certain mods ever there realize that bannings are more of a public wrist slap and quite arbritrary.
depending on the moderators mood.
No big Deal I just thought it was funny how they are more than willing to keep $$$Selling$$$ you books&training DVD's in their store
even after banning you "for Life"  from the forums. 

I run a large forum (million and a half posts). People get banned for behavior, if they re-register and don't cause any more problems, then the problem's solved as far as I'm concerned. :-)

On the thumbnails, I don't get what's so hard about using photoshop to select a 200 x 200 area of the render that doesn't show any objectionable material.
I used to post to the galleries, but not hardly at all anymore and have deleted all my older renders. It seems sort of like trying to make art to impress artists.
I wasted quite a few years trying to play music that would impress musicians, but never made any money until I started "Playing what's paying." :-)