Actually there are veins in the eyes. Very subtle veins, that seem to get lost in the compression. I guess I will have to make them stand out more. Oh well, back to the drawing board. I did take Michaels eyes apart and I am using a true raytracer, and I have never been satisfied with the way the eyes look. They have no depth whatsoever, unlike say, Nerds eyes. Thanks for your suggestions. Back to the drawing board :) Regards Ian