Well I haven't managed to figure out that torus trick Rod...could you send me an unconverted [booleans showing] version so I can see what I'm supposed to do. Obviously you can't make the one I want, but if I can see it I can make it work for me...thanks in advance. Send it to my mts.net addy...I think you may have that or Site Mail me and I'll send you the addy.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again