TomD: Yeah, I used to do stuff on an Amiga 2500, at 640x480 with some mirrored spheres and that oh so cool checkered floor sometimes took days to render! I could live with the render times somewhat, but alot of times just trying to move 1 terrain model takes alot of time. And that's with the terrain being the only thing in the scene.(maybe I should switch to wire frame mode instead of openGL?) And I'm having trouble doing things like getting online while rendering, Bryce4 always seemed fine for at least letting me surf the net/ download files while waiting for the render to finish and what not. Now Bryce 5 the demo anyway seems to take the WHOLE pc over.